21 Jun
David Shipman and Brooke Wilbanks: Locating and Targeting Trophy Catfish | Official Catfish Conference ® 2016
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how’s everybody we were going to talk
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and we will about some of the ways we
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used to just working to catch big
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catfish but we brought our live well
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this weekend mmm we’ve had it set up out
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here we’ve had a lot of people look at
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it and so we’re gonna talk about that
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just a little bit mmm
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my boat’s a center console it’s got two
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live wells and I can carry handle 15 or
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20 pound fish in it fine but I can’t
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even put 50 pound fish in it but we have
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to curl them to get them in there so we
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decided to make us all homemade live
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well you know I just took some cardboard
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I’m just reading I’m seeing this if you
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got a boat that doesn’t have a live well
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or a big enough live oil which I’m sure
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a lot of people do because I see two
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boxes and Rubbermaid tote better but
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anyway we made this loud will it I’ve
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got about four hundred dollars in it
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it’s just eighteen or sixteen gauge
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aluminum it works real good and we’ve
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got the oxygen system on them which
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we’re we’re really trying to get
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everybody to try this oxygen if you’re
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not using it already because you don’t
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have to have a lot of water in your live
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well you can fill it pull them full of
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fish and you turn that oxygen on low and
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they they will just fight you at four
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o’clock at afternoon getting them out of
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there it’s a real good system and it’s
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about four hundred dollars if you don’t
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have a liar you can take a toolbox I
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guess and put the oxygen on it but we’re
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gonna try to get everybody that fishes
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these tournaments to to try to take
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better care of the fish I mean we’re
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doing a pretty good job but we still see
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a lot of dead fish every year but it’s
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just something we brought that so that
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people can look at its homemade it’s all
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me and Brooke made all that stuff and we
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had a friend of ours welded up it’s not
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it may look complicated but it’s really
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nothing to it but
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that’s what that’s what we want to try
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to do with this catfish confidence stuff
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as it’s helping improve though taking
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care of these fish and stuff but I guess
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so you don’t want me to tell no secrets
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on how we find our big fish but what we
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do we go to a special new lake we’ve
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never been owner a new river we cover a
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lot of miles we feel the boat up and
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it’s nothing for us to go 40 miles each
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way from the way in and we I’m not
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called we use our side-scan most of the
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time that’s all I’ll do a side scan and
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no we try to find structure like he
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showed we don’t have we don’t have
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pictures like Carl had but we try to
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find structure like he’s showed you want
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to go you know and we’ll mark all those
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spots and then we spent about half a day
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one day just looking for that structure
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and stuff and marking them then we’ll
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take our we take our sonar after we mark
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those spots and go over it and see if we
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can spot any big fish and if if they’re
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on it doesn’t mean they’re going to bite
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but we like to have about 10 spots
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before every tournament you know the
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trial we don’t do a lot of pre fishing
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either like Carl said we we we may put a
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bait down there with no hook in it and
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see what we can do but even if we get a
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bite like that we don’t we don’t hit
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nothing very hard because I’m a firm
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believer that you can know where your
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spot out or run the fish off before the
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tournament but we I don’t know how much
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water anybody else covers I’ve seen
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calling them way upriver and downriver
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along with a few of the other guys but
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we try to cover a lot of water that’s
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our that’s our biggest thing when we’ve
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had a lot of luck too because I think I
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think a lot of look and catfishing you
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may see those big fish down there
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and no and it takes a while to find them
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and we’ve got it well I’ve got a lot of
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experience in Brooke has two we know
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what we’re looking at we can tell you if
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they’re 15 or 20 pound fish or if
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they’re 40 to 60 pound fish our
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electronics is the main thing we go by
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and I heard Carl say a while ago believe
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in your electronics that’s the first
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thing we do you may pull up on a on the
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best section a river drop off full of
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stumps if you don’t see any fish down
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there there’s nothing there that that
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electronics going to show them if
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they’re down there now some days they’re
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glued to the bottom and you’re not going
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to see them I’m not saying you can’t
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catch a fish on Oh on a spot like that
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but most time when they’re glued to the
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bottom you’re going to get about every
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once and while you’re lucky to get five
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fish but our electronics is our main our
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main goal we’ve caught some big fish
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we’ve had some big wins allow that’s
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look the fish bit when we were there and
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you know we found their spots but but we
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fished Memphis last year we ran 42 miles
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one way from the tournament from where
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we feast and we didn’t get any monster
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fish but we we did win but that’s that’s
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about all our our secret is we’ve got a
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lot of lakes that we fished for years
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that we already know places to go and
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know we’ll go check them out and see if
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the fish are there we never would hook
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we never drop a bait down and we’ll hit
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three or four spots during a tournament
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our tournament day but hmm we’re also
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consider on one spot if we know what
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we’ve done in the past we can set there
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three hours back in December I fished a
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tournament and I knew what I had caught
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there before I knew there was big fish
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there you know three hours and 45
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minutes later I caught a 75 pounder and
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it was a one way in tournament one fish
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tournament so it took me three hours and
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45 minutes to get one bite but it but it
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was the right back I think patience has
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a lot to do with catching big fish
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sometimes you can just pull up and you
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get bam bam a couple of big ones only
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immediately
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me personally I don’t I don’t have that
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look like that very often but we have we
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have the patience I can tell you this
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girl right here can set there 8 hours
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for one bat and she never complains it’s
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95 degree weather so you’ve got
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something you won’t tell them Brooke I
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guess y’all have any questions we’ll
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answer them but uh that’s about all we
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we do is just cover a lot of water on
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the river a few days we try to pre fish
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a couple of days and no cover as much
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water as we can the Mississippi River
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always changes you know you you may go
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to a spot you’ve never done anything and
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everybody be oh you know some good some
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good areas blow it out in that thing or
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something we’re not we’re not a
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experienced shallow water people now
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some of these folks I think in Santee
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Cooper catch them in 3 or 4 foot of
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water
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we’re not experienced at that we fish
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about 25 feet and deeper up to 70 or 80
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feet but that’s just where we look for
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our fish yet but we do look for
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structure we really liked to fish
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structure we’ve caught them in flats and
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stuff before but we keep going over
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these places until we see those big arcs
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and know we know they’re down there and
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next morning we’ll go hit them and we’ll
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give them a couple three hours we don’t
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do any good we’ll go the next spot but
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that’s just the way we do our big fish
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looking that’s how we found them cover a
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lot of water and look for them on the
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sonar Bob you know about that
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she pretty tough on them secrets now
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I’ll say does I mean how many people
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tournament fish here if that’s in here
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everybody
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I don’t think does being puts it on us
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pretty regular well I think it’s I think
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it’s a big deal for us to all and I’m
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sure I hadn’t been listening to what
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people’s been talking about in here we
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may be covering the same things but I I
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think it’s so a really important issue
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to to make sure that the fish are taken
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care of I really believe in that we
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don’t we’ve had a couple fish die over
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the years we had one as a ten pound fish
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that he didn’t last thirty minutes in
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that live well with oxygen on him and
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everything quit fishing and worked with
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him a couple hours but he just some of
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them I think just go into shock or
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something and but as a general rule we
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we don’t have those fish we don’t have
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any trouble and I really believe it’s
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the oxygen we’ve had it seven years now
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we use it every tournament sometimes in
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the winter you don’t have to have it but
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you can you can open a live wolf those
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fish are setting up you know looking
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like normal then you don’t have any
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problem but if they’re kind of rolled on
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their side then you need to turn a
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little oxygen element but we just hope
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that it will help everybody eventually
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gets the oxygen because I’m a hundred
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percent believer that that’s the the
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life of these fish and hopefully
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everybody can start catching them big
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ones keep looking and trusty dip
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founders that’s what that’s what we do
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the sonar I’m not real good on my side
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scan it spotting a big fish but uh the
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sonar I can I can find the structure and
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then go over it with the sonar and I
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know what they look like on that sonar
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now so any other questions anybody want
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to ask
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brookey got something on side we got 20
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more minutes or so
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yeah the onus onarts a hundred pound
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fish on my sonar I got to level 99 is
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about the size of my finger it’s a big
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arch and no but we see a lot of 50s and
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60s there they’re probably about the
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size of a pencil maybe about the size of
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my it depends on the depth water too but
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we’re usually 45 to 50 feet deep and
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they’re about like my little finger fair
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about sixty pound fish but you know I’ve
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seen him on the side scan and a down
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skin I know but it’s just I can’t I can
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get within a few pounds of a big fish on
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my sonar guessing it it you know if we
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pulled up the spot about Memphis last
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year and it was full of fish and I told
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Brooke I said these are all 15 to 20
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pounders well we caught 15 18 12 nothing
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over 18 and no but it takes a lot of you
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know we’ve got a lot of time on the
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water I mean we spend days on the water
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pre-fishing we don’t do any fishing
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hardly we will troll or move from one
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spot of the river to the next we spent
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eight hours out there nothing but
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reading the depth finder and know it’s
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after two or three years of that then
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you know what you’re seeing I have my
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1199 for at least two years for I knew
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what I was looking at on it and I heard
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Carl talk about that it takes a lot of
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time on the water
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these depth finders are expensive but
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they’re well worth the money if you’re
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going to turn them a fish because I once
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I learned what people kept telling me
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look that’s a fish out there and I’m
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thinking that now let ain’t no fish but
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it was you just got to know what you’re
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looking at the screen you’ve got on
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whether its own side scanner or down
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scan inside scan the further out your
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scanning you know the smile of the fish
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are going but you’ve got to know what
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area water you’re covering and that’s
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gonna tell you you know determine what
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size fish you’re looking at it’s not
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just what you see on the screen it’s the
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settings you have on that screen also is
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going to determine and I’m sure most
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everybody probably knows
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but but I didn’t it took me two or three
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years to learn my how many I got a
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hummingbird it took me two or three
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years to learn how to use it and of
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course I’ve got all the confidence in
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the world in it I know what I’m looking
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at I know the size tree it’s down there
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how big around it is it’s great it’s
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great this technology’s great now for
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that searching for fish I don’t know how
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they hide from us you know they don’t
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have a chance
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Brooks got something she won’t say I
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know but now yeah
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David bottom-dwellers our sponsor he’s
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he’s got these tanks he’s got the
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diffusers that goes in the lab well mine
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I bought about seven years ago there was
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two hundred dollars for the diffuser
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that he’s got them out there for $49 or
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$45 that’s stuff that’s you know for two
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three hundred bucks you get this oxygen
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put on your live well it’s cheap I think
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if you if you can save one big fish
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especially if you’re in a tournament
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then it’ll you know if you watch the
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place and that tournament something
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that’d be worth checking into and
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investing in it and now my good friend
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it just left here don’t use oxygen I
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don’t hey gets by faster Carl he’s got a
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big pump on his live oil and the sprays
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and moves a lot of water and changes his
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water pretty regular but I would not
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ever go back without it myself I
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absolutely love it we do change out our
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water we we’ve got a pretty good-sized
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filter over there it depends on the fish
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it depends I think if the rivers rough
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they tend to throw up what they’ve eaten
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in the last little while
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that creates ammonia so we try to get
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all that out and if we keep a check on
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them if it’s calm day they’d do pretty
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good but you can see that stuff they
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spit up in there and that all needs to
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come out and of course we’ve got this
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thing rigged for this this just comes
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loose and you fold it over the side of
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the boat and it pumps
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out you know and we actually fill this
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with a five-gallon bucket we had a pump
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on it and it it was it worked okay it
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worked fine but you had that extra hose
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that extra pump in the boat so we about
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five or six five-gallon buckets full and
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it’s got all the water and it needs so
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we just fill it with a bucket now but we
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got it rigged we could drain it here but
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we got it rigged for that pipe we’ll
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just swing over the side of the boat in
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about five minutes it pumps itself out
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have to clean the filter out we have a
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sprayer inside and when it slows down
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you’ll know your filters kind of getting
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clogged up so it just unscrews we’ve got
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a water hose on the boat we just wash it
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out and stick it right back in yeah
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that’s it I think it’s as equally
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important to all to get that ammonia
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filled water out because that filter
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catch a lot of that stuff but we’ve got
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a screen inside nothing beat can get in
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there so the big pieces of fish that
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they’ve eaten and stuff they’ll spit
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that out in the lab well we have to get
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that out with pair of pliers or
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something but we don’t usually change
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our water over once or twice in an
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eight-hour tournament but we do change
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it and I think it helps but this is you
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know what this is just a rigged up live
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well but it that thing works so good if
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you know I’m just kind of proud of that
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lab well to be honest with you because
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uh we just kind of built it as we went
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along it works great and no that door
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came from a camper supply place where
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you know I guess they buy those doors to
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put on the side of those campers you
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know it was like thirty bucks I mean
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it’s just oh it’s something that can be
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done it’s it’s a neat look it looks
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complicated but it’s not complicated at
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all we put the carpet on it
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so we’re in the summertime we wet that
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carpet just in case it gets hot we do
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have a top on our boat to keep the Sun
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off of it but you can wet that carpet
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and keep it cool on the sides because
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it’s aluminum
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but it just we just have no problems at
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all with our fish and I’m proud of that
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fact that we don’t and I’m just hoping
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everybody in the future you know either
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gets oxygen or upgrade upgrade their
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live well if they don’t have a real good
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one most of the boats you get now is got
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a big live weld in them these boat
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companies are started making them more
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they’re sufficient for a big catfish
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tournament but we got proof here that
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you whatever kind of boat you got you
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can have a decent live wheel in it that
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works good you know for four or five
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hundred bucks this is a ninety five
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gallon I had to have a friend of mine
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figure that I don’t know how to figure
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it but he measured it’s just the 95
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gallon would just not be huh now he he
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knew how to calculate it somehow length
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width and but it’s right at ninety five
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gallons most of the sea art boats have a
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hundred gallon live oil in them now I
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think are bigger so this is not a great
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big live well but it’s big enough you
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know you can put two sixty s in there
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and you three small fish and they’re
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fine it looks crowded but it’s not but
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we kind of proud it it it works good we
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plan on using it a lot this year but we
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fish a lot of tournaments and we have
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fun we’re so proud to be a part of this
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thing here we fished 17 or 18
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tournaments last year she’s got us down
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for 20 this year and no we’re just we’re
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real fortunate to be a part of this
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catfishing organization or whatever you
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called it we just we just have a ball
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that ever tournament we go to we don’t
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get to go to some that we’d like to go
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too far off but we’ve had a lot of
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success we’ve been lucky and we’re we
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consider our surf pretty decent
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fishermen to you but but we have had
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some look well
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her daddy had her on the water since she
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was about that high I’m glad he did I
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took her fish you know
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she wanted to catch her a big fish I
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took her fishing and it was 95 degrees
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that day it was on wheeler
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I always caught a 60 or 50 or 60 or 70
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at with her every time I went and that
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day we caught three fish the big ones
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about 30 pounds that was hot and I
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thought man I’ve learnt this young girl
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you know she’ll never gonna go back in
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another boat but she never said a word
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all day long never complained to be at
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next Saturday I said we’ll go try it
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again if you want to I’m ready so she’s
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she’s a die-hard fisherman for sure and
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she’s she pretty good at it except when
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she gets hung up by we’re on the
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Mississippi River
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she’ll I’m hung David I’m hung so I’ll
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I’ll crank the big motor and start
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upriver and of course she can’t break
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the line it’s hundred-pound line and
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she’ll take the steering wheel and I’ll
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get her boat I met her a rod and a tile
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or something to break I’ll pick up on a
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rod first and it goes and I had to hand
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it back to her you’re not hung you got a
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big fish that’s happening about three
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times so far so she’s hanging when she
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gets home you can get the net because
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she’s got a big butt yeah we’ve done
20:56
that quite a few times it he Madrid your
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before last and you Madrid up there she
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hung up one there no I was gonna break
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her off I think she got it in it was 66
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something but she was hung on the bottom
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first I think it I think she hung a
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bottom first encounter fish but she’s a
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good partner she I’m really proud to
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have her started when she was I had no
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idea I’d be fishing with her she’d like
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these tournaments or nothing but when we
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first started fishing was just strictly
21:28
trying to get her a big fish we finally
21:31
did get her a pretty good one but she
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likes this catfishing better than most
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men do and she’s really good at it she’s
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a great partner she just won’t tell no
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secrets that’s the only thing about her
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bait secretly I’ll tell you that we was
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at Memphis year before last and water
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was high and we were suspending and you
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know I know how to fish to you and I’m
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up barrel running a trolling motor and
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I’m actually going suspend drifting and
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I’m going through where the fish are
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supposed to be at first and then she
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catches another and I said what are you
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doing back there well she’s turning
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around cutting bait where I can’t see
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her and she doesn’t have three fish in
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the boat that’s the tournament – I know
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I finally looked over his shoulder and
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saw what she is doing
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will you skipjack and I don’t call talk
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a lot about you know the bait different
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types of bait and stuff were you shad
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every once in a while – chefs good but
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you wouldn’t think a skipjack about 12
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inches long the way you cut that bait
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means a lot and we’ll use heads
22:51
sometimes but this is why she was
22:54
cutting this bait she caught it all she
22:56
would have caught all the fish that day
22:58
but when I saw her cutting the way she
23:00
was cutting that bait I pulled my two
23:02
poles up got me some new bait cut them
23:04
that way and I put a 40 in the boat and
23:06
a 20 something immediately so do you do
23:10
that Bob you cut different I won’t tell
23:22
you how she cut it she you just have to
23:24
get mad she cut the tail off as a
23:26
skipjack about 12 inches long she cut
23:29
the tail off and filleted one side of it
23:32
off so she had to head half of a foot
23:37
one side half filleted off and the tail
23:40
cut off that’s how she was doing it
23:42
I’d never I never tried that but see
23:45
what two hooks yeah we use it we use a
23:48
double hook rig I really like a single
23:50
hook but when you’re fishing especially
23:53
in current or the Mississippi River
23:54
you need something that fish’s mouth to
23:57
keep him headed upstream no
24:00
you can’t have him back there flopping
24:02
and no so we we hook him through the
24:05
mouth of the top hook which we catch a
24:07
lot of fish off that top hook majority
24:09
absorb Atum we use a 5 out on the top
24:12
hook and a 7 out on the bottom about 80
24:14
inches apart but I’ve seen also on days
24:18
where we she’ll try everything she’ll
24:21
try ahead she’ll try and filet she’ll
24:24
just cut the gut out of that fish and
24:27
try that she’s gonna try it all she
24:29
finds out what they bite and then she
24:31
might she might tell me and she might
24:33
not but well she’ll find out what
24:35
they’re biting but but I’ve seen it you
24:37
know you think of skipjacks a skipjack a
24:38
skipjack but the way you cut that does
24:41
have an effect i i’ve been proving that
24:44
several times
24:48
i’m gonna say with fish about an hour
24:50
now depends on the water if you and a
24:53
lot of current you know where it’s
24:54
working your bait mower then you might
24:56
change more often if you’re in steel
24:58
water you pick that bait up it’s still
25:00
drifting blood it’s in my opinion is
25:02
still good unless it gets on the bottom
25:05
now when I’ve had people mike mitchell
25:08
here he fishes a lot of these
25:10
tournaments he’ll throw his bait out
25:12
there on the bottom in the mud when my
25:14
bait gets mud on it I cannot get about
25:17
he says he does I believe him he catches
25:20
a lot of big fish but if my bait gets on
25:23
the bottom like if we come up a hump or
25:25
something and it rubs the bottom if it’s
25:27
got mud owner that’s gone I just don’t I
25:30
just don’t like my bait to be dirty I’ve
25:32
never had any luck with it like it I’ve
25:35
also but no Clarksville Tennessee one
25:38
time several years ago we were we were
25:40
fishing up there to the steam plant
25:43
and I had to fillet those skipjacks and
25:46
then I had to mica just a little one
25:48
each strip of a fillet that’s all they
25:50
would bite we had heads we had whole
25:53
skipjack we had cut bait everything and
25:56
all they would buy it was about a six or
25:58
seven inch strip of a fillet not the
26:00
whole fillet it had to be just like a
26:02
straight line so huh
26:07
two hooks yeah we I wish we had some
26:12
line because she’s so she’s the pro with
26:14
that if we had a hook and some line I
26:19
tell you what if you won’t come by that
26:21
booth in a minute she could show you
26:23
your if you’re gonna love this most
26:26
people uses what we use I think Bob uses
26:28
it now don’t you
26:29
it’s not a knot it looks like a snail
26:32
but it’s not it’s the finest it’s like
26:36
snail not but it’s not but it’s the
26:38
finest way to tie a hook there is you
26:41
cannot break it
26:42
we have never broke we use sixty pound
26:45
monofilament we use Berkley big game
26:49
leader because I’m just a firm believer
26:51
in that big game I’ve tried the
26:53
fluorocarbons and everything and I
26:55
always go back to the Berkley big game
26:57
will use 60 sometimes 80 on the leader
27:01
and a hundred pound braid mainland but
27:03
we have never broke at the hooks ever
27:05
even when we hang the structure and have
27:07
to we have to wrap a towel around her
27:09
hand you know to break that right it’ll
27:11
either break up everywhere though or the
27:14
leaders tie down or it’ll we’ve never
27:16
broke at the hook and that’s just
27:17
amazing to me because it’s it’s wound
27:20
around that hook but it we’ve never
27:22
broke there that’s an amazing not it’s
27:25
not really not but she’ll show you a lot
27:29
of people use it I think most everybody
27:30
uses that now but you can you can use a
27:37
single hook most of the time but if you
27:40
use them just a piece of cut bait or
27:42
something but if you’re in the
27:43
Mississippi River or a river with a lot
27:45
of current in my opinion you you need
27:48
that bait kind of aerodynamic or
27:51
whatever you call it you know where you
27:52
flows through the water good we use
27:55
those chain swivels also we use about a
27:57
two foot leader you know that helps with
28:01
the land twist you know because that
28:03
that baits going to cut it up no matter
28:05
what you do to it and we’ll we use our
28:08
six ball chain swivel in our leader land
28:10
you use those you know the chain swivels
28:15
is a lot more about four times as many
28:18
places for that to turn its as regular
28:20
soil
28:21
okay we got them run up her you’ll like
28:25
them and they’re 175 pound test so we’ve
28:30
never broke one but there’s you know we
28:36
fish mostly like everybody else we hold
28:39
our own we do good in most of these
28:41
tournaments but we we cover a lot of
28:44
ground we don’t fish as hard as a lot of
28:46
these fishermen do you know we we relax
28:49
on the boat I’m old my back’s hurting
28:51
right now we don’t we don’t find it hard
28:53
but we have look now we’re fishing for
28:56
five or six bites a day that’s all we’re
28:59
fishing for we don’t care if we go two
29:01
or three hours without about if we know
29:03
what we’re on we can wait you know we
29:06
sometimes we don’t get five fish but if
29:09
we do get our five bites that we’re
29:11
fishing for that day even we’re gonna be
29:13
in contention you know we’re gonna be in
29:15
the top ten if we get our bats we’re
29:19
never not fish I’ve got some places I’d
29:22
love to set up at night
29:23
but I’m one of them guys I’m 58 I have
29:28
to have my rest if I stay up all night
29:31
I’ve got a you know takes me a couple
29:33
days to get back into I’ve always got up
29:35
early in the morning I wake up five
29:37
o’clock and go to bed no matter what
29:39
time I go to bed five or six o’clock I’m
29:41
awake
29:42
I’ve just saw was I worked you know from
29:44
morning to a three or four o’clock and
29:46
all my life I’m just used to that again
29:48
but I love tonight I would love to not
29:51
fish a few of these places where I’ll
29:53
know these big fish are hanging out in
29:55
and I probably will but it’s gonna mess
29:59
me up with everything
30:05
you fishing that Bible in the river out
30:07
there any yeah Bob Bob downer on the
30:15
Mississippi River Don I’m like am I even
30:18
in these tournaments we fish the blast
30:21
off sometimes before daylight and Brook
30:24
and I we may get out there and idle
30:26
around but we’re not gonna run that
30:27
river I’ve seen personally two or three
30:29
people hit those sandbars or trees or
30:31
something myself and no we just don’t
30:34
we’re not gonna take no chance of that
30:36
number one she’s she’s young and no I
30:40
wouldn’t want to hire my boat up or her
30:42
either so but don’t fish in the fog I
30:49
don’t get out there in the fog either
30:52
mr. John you fish it not anything I know
30:56
the catfish was supposed to feed at
30:58
night you know oh you’ve never fished
31:03
during day well I’ve talked to those
31:06
boys from Arizona they probably done
31:07
gone now
31:13
they probably bite more tonight I don’t
31:15
know did you catch a bunch in that
31:18
flathead I’ve spent three nights all
31:22
night long on Pickwick like a parallel
31:24
Tennessee River years ago all night long
31:27
I was gonna catch them in that I never
31:29
got it back I’m sure I was doing
31:31
something wrong I think I was out there
31:33
on those river ledges where I fishing
31:34
the daytime
31:36
40-foot date 50 foot deep and they’re
31:38
not they were they’re not out there and
31:40
that I don’t know if they move shallow
31:42
I’m not a I’m not a shallow water
31:45
fisherman either although we’re going to
31:46
experiment with that this year but they
31:50
run to the bank sitting out or something
31:51
because there’s well I catch them out
31:53
there I was like I said I stayed three
31:55
nights I was going to find them but I
31:57
never did get a back and that I’m sure I
32:00
was in the wrong place but you had a lot
32:03
of people fishing that a lot of
32:04
tournaments in that I don’t know how to
32:06
catch them at night but flatheads I
32:09
think I probably could figure that out
32:10
and he’s still getting a brush on after
32:12
him like that still getting the brush
32:14
piles
32:17
yeah but they’ve got they’ve got a few
32:21
tournaments at that I think they’ve got
32:24
a couple this year we we might track but
32:27
I’m a daytime guy I like I like my
32:30
daytime fishing walks see what’s coming
32:32
down the river we fish mainly blues we
32:36
go we’ve got some places sir well we
32:46
don’t flathead fish a lot we catch some
32:48
flat heads and some timber and stuff
32:49
that we catch blues out of 35 or 40 foot
32:52
deep I got a lot of my friends that
32:54
strictly flathead and no because they
32:59
like they like to just sit up I grew up
33:01
above a brush pile or something the way
33:03
I understand it and throw some live bait
33:05
back in there we catch a few flat heads
33:09
every year on this cut skipjack you know
33:11
– but it’s always around timber though
33:14
you know not holding the river ledges
33:17
and things like that you don’t hard to
33:18
get them flat heads but if we found a
33:20
tree or a brush top or something out in
33:22
40 foot of water you’d like to get a
33:23
flathead off of it as well as you are
33:26
blue especially Lake Guntersville
33:29
Alabama huts
33:30
that’s full of timber in deep water and
33:33
that’s where we count some flat heads
33:35
there – Pickwick’s got some table but
33:42
the guy right back here that I’m with
33:44
David Ashby catches them out of three
33:46
foot of water 70 pound blues when you
33:50
when you go on that shallow water with
33:52
your boat you’re not gonna see them fish
33:53
they’re going to run out from under your
33:54
boat if to me if it’s 30 foot or
33:56
shallower that boats going to spook them
33:58
so I can’t see them in there I’ve never
34:02
tried to find them in on side-scan in
34:04
shallow water you probably could but
34:06
we’re so used to we’re so used to
34:09
getting over the top of our structure
34:11
and seeing those fish that’s what we’re
34:13
used to we’re not we don’t know how to
34:15
fish that shallow water we really don’t
34:17
know how to fish it I don’t know how you
34:18
sneak in there if you’re in 10 feet of
34:20
water now Paul was here that one that
34:23
winter blues last year he fishes shallow
34:26
water all the time
34:26
I don’t know if he’s just eases up in
34:30
there and anchors and throws
34:31
Rod’s out oh how I don’t hate does it
34:34
we’re just not experienced that much
34:36
with it but they’re in it I saw I hear
34:40
about them being caught all the time in
34:42
shallow water we’re going to try to do
34:44
some experimenting with it ourselves
34:46
because in some cases it it’s got to
34:48
help us because they’re they’re not
34:50
always out there who are we fished where
34:52
we’re used to fishing for them but
34:57
that’s something I’d like to learn in
34:59
the shallow water you know Mississippi
35:02
River a little sandbars they catch them
35:05
shallow sometimes don’t they yeah I’ve
35:10
caught them about 20 feet deep on the
35:14
Mississippi River about as shallow as
35:15
I’ve ever caught them and I think they
35:18
were they were a certain type of current
35:20
then when we caught them is it no yeah
35:29
we
35:32
we’ve just saw what grew up on Pickwick
35:36
broken-out both dead and the fairest
35:38
your do you know the cat fishermen just
35:40
started 30 feet deeper deeper and
35:43
Pickwick’s hard to catch a big fish on
35:45
that’s full of them full of big monster
35:47
blues but maybe we need to go shallow to
35:51
find those big ones we don’t know which
35:54
you know if you go to Pickwick try to
35:56
catch a 30 pound blue you you better be
35:58
prepared to stay two or three days and
36:00
no but even though it’s full of them
36:02
full of big fish but maybe the shallow
36:06
water might be the ticket to that I
36:07
don’t know but I’d like to take all
36:12
pointers on shallow water fishing
36:13
anybody notice I got to be willing to
36:15
listen we just not experienced that with
36:18
it at all we got to sneak up on them
36:20
fish don’t know if they’re shallow or
36:22
you got to sit there and wait on them to
36:23
come in to where you’re at if you’re in
36:25
seven or eight feet of water because but
36:29
wheeler I’ve seen guys on Wilson lake in
36:31
Alabama go in the back of those hollers
36:33
and anchor up or tile up and they just
36:36
throw out at eight or nine feet of water
36:37
sit there and they’ll catch 40s and 50s
36:39
in the springtime I’ve never seen that
36:42
in the summer but I’ve seen people catch
36:45
them in shallow water but to think about
36:47
Wilson you might move 10 feet and you be
36:49
in 10 feet to 50 feet because Wilson is
36:52
a deep lake you get on a big shout of
36:55
flat like those hollows it on wheeler
36:58
Lake you know I don’t know I don’t got
37:02
to be some kind of difference in it but
37:05
we’re gonna try to learn some more about
37:07
shallow water fish and we need to and
37:10
these in these lakes up here Mississippi
37:13
River I don’t want to get too shallow in
37:16
that thing but anyway if we’re gonna
37:20
take this live low back out there if
37:21
anybody wants to look at it or asked any
37:23
questions it’s it’s it’s complicated
37:28
looking but it’s real simple to make and
37:32
no or some of the you know some of the
37:36
auction or some of the pumps and stuff
37:38
that we got on it could be put on a lab
37:41
wheel it’s already there or a toolbox or
37:43
something whatever whatever people is
37:45
using
37:46
but we just brought it because we
37:48
thought it’d be something it’s something
37:50
we homemade we’re proud of it it works
37:52
good
37:53
it may look funny to everybody but it
37:55
sure performs good
37:57
so that’s why we brought it up here and
38:00
I guess we’ll about all books gonna say
38:05
oh thanks so I guess we’ll go but anyway
38:10
we’ll take your slide well back out
38:11
there the bottled waters if anybody
38:13
wants to look at it or asked any
38:15
questions about it I hope y’all enjoy it
38:29
you
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